A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 19 November 2009
My opponent had a dishonored Oni no Akuma in his discard pile. When he attacked, I used Echos of Disgrace, targeting Oni no Akuma and gave 3 of his Personalities -20 F. Since the Force stat of a card cannot be less than 0, when is this penalty calculated? If, for instance, Utaku Kohana recieved a -20F penalty could she gain a +2f bonus and be back to where she was or does she need to dig herself out of the hole?
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Dan Jacobson (rules official), 19 November 2009
My opponent had a dishonored Oni no Akuma in his discard pile. When he attacked, I used Echos of Disgrace, targeting Oni no Akuma and gave 3 of his Personalities -20 F. Since the Force stat of a card cannot be less than 0, when is this penalty calculated? If, for instance, Utaku Kohana recieved a -20F penalty could she gain a +2f bonus and be back to where she was or does she need to dig herself out of the hole?
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An attacking Utaku Kohana, at 2F, is given a -20F penalty from Echoes of Disgrace.
She then gets targeted by Charge, giving her +2F.
Her new force is 2F (base) -20F (Echoes) +2F (Charge) = -16F (apply standard minimum of 0)-->0 Force.
Remember that minimums, whether given by the rulebook or by other cards are always applied last.