Misleading Wasteland and Presence

L5R CCG Rules board, 15 October 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 15 October 2009

Misleading Wasteland reads-Battle: If the current battlefield is at this province, bow this card: Move a target enemy personaility home or to the current battlefield.

Can this be used with out presence? Thanks!Q

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 15 October 2009

Misleading Wasteland reads-Battle: If the current battlefield is at this province, bow this card: Move a target enemy personaility home or to the current battlefield.

Can this be used with out presence? Thanks!Q

Yes. http://rules.l5r.com/CE_Battles#Rule_of_Presence: "The Rule of Presence: Battle actions can only be taken by a player who controls a unit at the current battlefield.

"EXCEPTION: A player who controls no units at the current battlefield may take a Battle Action whose costs or effects say they are able to move one or more of his units there." Emphasis added; it meets the exception if you're moving the unit into battle.

CORRECTION: Since Misleading Wasteland's ability only moves enemy units, it cannot create Presence by moving one of your units in. See below. ALJ

(Yup, missed seeing the word "enemy" in there. Sorry! Thanks, Alex!)

A player, 15 October 2009

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If the player announcing the action on Misleading Wasteland has no units at the current battlefield, how can he legally announce the action on Misleading Wasteland given that it only moves enemy units to its battlefield?

Alex Jones (rules official), 15 October 2009

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If the player announcing the action on Misleading Wasteland has no units at the current battlefield, how can he legally announce the action on Misleading Wasteland given that it only moves enemy units to its battlefield?

Misleading Wasteland cannot be used without Presence as it only moves enemy units - it can't create Presence for its controller.