Isawa Fosuta XP + Shameful Injury

L5R CCG Rules board, 1 October 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 1 October 2009

Isawa Fosuta(Experienced) reads: Maho Open: Bow Fosuta: Lose 6 Honor. While Fosuta remains bowed, you may negate his straightening and, at the start of each turn, you may target a Personality and give him a -1F/-1C Curse token. After the next time this game Fosuta straightens or leaves play, destroy all Curse tokens.

Shameful Injury reads: Battle: Even if you control no units at the current battlefield: Negate all current Force bonuses and penalties a target Personality has received from actions. Until the turn ends, negate all new Force bonuses or penalties on him from actions.

If a personality I control has had tokens placed on him by Fosuta or any other similar personality that gives out tokens that include a Force penalty, which of the following would happen should I subsequently play an action like Shameful Injury, that negates a Force penalty from actions?

1. Token-generated penalties are temporarily negated, and then reassert themselves after the timing of the negation is over. 2. Token-generated penalties ignore the negation, immediately reasserting themselves. 3. Token-generated penalties are permanently negated, leaving the now-ineffective tokens where they are. 4. Token-generated penalties are permanently negated because the Tokens are removed.

A player, 1 October 2009

If a personality I control has had tokens placed on him by Fosuta or any other similar personality that gives out tokens that include a Force penalty, which of the following would happen should I subsequently play an action like Shameful Injury, that negates a Force penalty from actions?

2. Token-generated penalties ignore the negation, immediately reasserting themselves.

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