Additional Use of Once a game: Iuchi Konyo & Achirin (XP)

L5R CCG Rules board, 31 August 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 31 August 2009

Iuchi Konyo Unicorn Clan • Shugenja • Cavalry • Commander Battle: Even if Konyo is bowed: Straighten all cards in a target Shugenja Personality's unit. Each ability on a Spell in that unit can be used an additional time this turn.

Achirin (Experienced)

Edition Test of Enlightenment Text Ratling • Creature • Shugenja • Third Whisker Tribe • Enlightened • Experienced • Unique • Loyal Limited: Once per game, remove a Ring you control from the game: Remove a unit from the game. (This does not target the unit.) This ability may not be copied.

If I was able to target Achirin with Konyo's ability during an attack during the Limited phase (due to ambush + Unexpected Arrival) would I be able to get an extra use out of Achirin's ability? Would it matter if I've used his ability already or not?

A player, 31 August 2009

If I was able to target Achirin with Konyo's ability during an attack during the Limited phase (due to ambush + Unexpected Arrival) would I be able to get an extra use out of Achirin's ability?

No, Achirin's Limited ability is not an "ability on a Spell in that unit" (Iuchi Konyo's text) because Achirin is not a Spell, Achirin is a lovely Ratling Personality with smooth fur.

A player, 31 August 2009

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My mistake in the above example.

I'm looking for a general ruling that if an ability like Konyo's that let an ability "be used an additional time this turn." were to be used on an ability that said "Once per game" would this:

A: Not effect it at all B: Let you use the action once more this turn (but both uses of it would have to be this turn) C: Let you use the action once more this turn (but only if you havn't used it yet) D: Let you use the action once more this turn (Doesn't care about the two above conditions

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 31 August 2009

Iuchi Konyo Unicorn Clan • Shugenja • Cavalry • Commander Battle: Even if Konyo is bowed: Straighten all cards in a target Shugenja Personality's unit. Each ability on a Spell in that unit can be used an additional time this turn.

Achirin (Experienced)

Edition Test of Enlightenment Text Ratling • Creature • Shugenja • Third Whisker Tribe • Enlightened • Experienced • Unique • Loyal Limited: Once per game, remove a Ring you control from the game: Remove a unit from the game. (This does not target the unit.) This ability may not be copied.

If I was able to target Achirin with Konyo's ability during an attack during the Limited phase (due to ambush + Unexpected Arrival) would I be able to get an extra use out of Achirin's ability? Would it matter if I've used his ability already or not?

Any effect that lets you use an action "an additional time per turn" only supercedes the standard rulebook text on actions: i.e. that they are once per turn by default.

If an action has a different text (Once per game/per battle) on how often it can be used, such effects will not allow additional uses.

REVERSED. See here.