Re: United (DaK) and Ronin

L5R CCG Rules board, 8 June 2009

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A player, 8 June 2009

Here's the relevant text on the action card:

"Battle/Open: Target five of your non-Shadowlands Personalities, no two of whom share a Clan alignment: Give each of them +4F. Negate their movement home from other players' actions until the turn ends."

Can I trigger this action with a bunch of Ronin, since unaligned personalities do not, by default, share clan alignments since they have none? Or does the phrase imply they need a Clan alignment to begin with? Thanks for clarification

Alex Jones (rules official), 8 June 2009

Here's the relevant text on the action card:

"Battle/Open: Target five of your non-Shadowlands Personalities, no two of whom share a Clan alignment: Give each of them +4F. Negate their movement home from other players' actions until the turn ends."

Can I trigger this action with a bunch of Ronin, since unaligned personalities do not, by default, share clan alignments since they have none? Or does the phrase imply they need a Clan alignment to begin with? Thanks for clarification

Unaligned Personalities do not have the same clan alignments as each other, see Different and same keywords.

You may indeed have this performed by five personalities with no clan alignments.

A player, 8 June 2009

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http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Diff ... e_keywords "When comparing two cards, they have "different" keywords if, when all shared keywords are ignored, each card has an eligible keyword the other does not. ... When comparing more than two cards with multiple keywords, in order for all of them to be different from each other, each pair must be different from each other. In the above kinds of comparisons, a card without an eligible keyword has neither a different keyword nor the same keyword as another card."

Does that not apply in this case because United says "no two of whom share a Clan alignment" instead of "each with a different clan alignment than the others"?

Does the above quote regarding different keywords mean that ronin/unaligned personalities are untargetable by cards such as Unwanted Mediation? (Battle/Open: Bow 2 or more target Personalities with different Clan alignments controlled by the same player. You may pay Gold equal to one of the targets' Gold Cost, as a cost, to destroy him, if he is Unique.)