A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 11 May 2009
Hey All, I tried searching for an answer to this, but was unable to determine an answer.
Scenario - Player B's Limited Phase - Player A has a Pekkle no Oni and an honorable samurai in play, Player B has Samarhad Exp. in play. 1. Player B uses Samarhad to take Pekkle no Oni from Player A. 2. Player A passes 3. Player B plays Hired Killer, paying 5 gold, to destroy Pekkle no Oni
Question: 1. Who looses the 10 honor from Pekkle no Oni? 2. Can Player A react with Duty to negate the destruction?
Thanks!
Pekkle no Oni: Oni • Nonhuman • Shadowlands • Supai After the first time each turn Pekkle enters play: Gain 3 Honor. After Pekkle is destroyed: Lose 10 Honor. Political Limited: Bow Pekkle: Gain 1 Honor.
Samarhad: Ratling • Nonhuman • Ashalan • Sun-Rider • Experienced • Unique Open: Bow Samarhad: Take control of a target Personality without his controller's Clan alignment. Straighten him. At the end of the turn, if he is not Ratling, return control of him to the player you took him from.
Hired Killer: Limited: Pay Gold equal to the target’s unit’s Gold Cost plus 2: Lose 3 Honor. Destroy a target Personality.
Duty: Bushido Virtue Reaction: Before another player’s card’s effect destroys one of your Personalities, destroy one of your honorable Samurai Personalities at the same location: Negate the first Personality’s destruction.
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 11 May 2009
Hey All, I tried searching for an answer to this, but was unable to determine an answer.
Scenario - Player B's Limited Phase - Player A has a Pekkle no Oni and an honorable samurai in play, Player B has Samarhad Exp. in play. 1. Player B uses Samarhad to take Pekkle no Oni from Player A. 2. Player A passes 3. Player B plays Hired Killer, paying 5 gold, to destroy Pekkle no Oni
Question: 1. Who looses the 10 honor from Pekkle no Oni? 2. Can Player A react with Duty to negate the destruction?
Thanks!
Pekkle no Oni: Oni • Nonhuman • Shadowlands • Supai After the first time each turn Pekkle enters play: Gain 3 Honor. After Pekkle is destroyed: Lose 10 Honor. Political Limited: Bow Pekkle: Gain 1 Honor.
Samarhad: Ratling • Nonhuman • Ashalan • Sun-Rider • Experienced • Unique Open: Bow Samarhad: Take control of a target Personality without his controller's Clan alignment. Straighten him. At the end of the turn, if he is not Ratling, return control of him to the player you took him from.
Hired Killer: Limited: Pay Gold equal to the target’s unit’s Gold Cost plus 2: Lose 3 Honor. Destroy a target Personality.
Duty: Bushido Virtue Reaction: Before another player’s card’s effect destroys one of your Personalities, destroy one of your honorable Samurai Personalities at the same location: Negate the first Personality’s destruction.
The owner of Pekkle no Oni loses 10 honor if Pekkle no Oni is destroyed.
Player A cannot react with Duty, as "your" in the case of Duty implies "a Personality under your control"
EDIT: Corrected.
A player, 12 May 2009
In regards to this topic viewtopic.php?f=59&t=75720
According to Pekkle's Trait, the honor loss occurs after she is destroyed. After she is destroyed, she is in her owner's discard pile, not in the controlling players, so why is the honor loss attributed to the previously-controlling player?
Just curious about the timing of it all.
~HN~
Dan Jacobson (rules official), 12 May 2009
In regards to this topic viewtopic.php?f=59&t=75720
According to Pekkle's Trait, the honor loss occurs after she is destroyed. After she is destroyed, she is in her owner's discard pile, not in the controlling players, so why is the honor loss attributed to the previously-controlling player?
Just curious about the timing of it all.
~HN~
You are correct, Nobutsuna (and UK Ronin!)
The honor loss is given to the owner of Pekkle no Oni.
The previous ruling about Duty still stands, however.