Civil Discussion and Ambush/Heated Discussion

L5R CCG Rules board, 7 May 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 7 May 2009

Civil Discussion Open: Target your unbowed Courtier: After each time a player assigns he loses 1 honor for each unit he assigned, or 3 whichever is lower.

Heated Discussion Political Limited: Target another player's Personality. Create a battlefield and assign him to defend there. Assign any number of your Courtier or Magistrate Personalities to attack there. The Defender may then assign any of his Courtier or Magistrate Personalities there. Fight the battle. During the battle, before any Personality is destroyed, dishonor him instead.

If I play Civil Discussion and Ambush/Heated Discussion, do I lose the honor for the first two personalities as I'm the one who assigned them? Or do both played lose the honor for their own personalities?

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 7 May 2009

Civil Discussion Open: Target your unbowed Courtier: After each time a player assigns he loses 1 honor for each unit he assigned, or 3 whichever is lower.

Heated Discussion Political Limited: Target another player's Personality. Create a battlefield and assign him to defend there. Assign any number of your Courtier or Magistrate Personalities to attack there. The Defender may then assign any of his Courtier or Magistrate Personalities there. Fight the battle. During the battle, before any Personality is destroyed, dishonor him instead.

If I play Civil Discussion and Ambush/Heated Discussion, do I lose the honor for the first two personalities as I'm the one who assigned them? Or do both played lose the honor for their own personalities?

For the intial assignment, the person who played Heated Discussion would lose the honor via Civil Discussion's text. If the Defender decided to assign additional Courtiers/Magistrates to the battle, he would lose honor for each one he assigned, up to 3.