Sunagawa + Gunso Kisho

L5R CCG Rules board, 26 March 2009 to 27 March 2009

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 26 March 2009

Can Yoritomo Sunagawa bow a Gunso Kisho for his own ability and get a +2 to that Ranged from the reaction of the Gunso Kisho he bowed.

Yoritomo Sunagawa Battle: Bow your target Follower: Ranged Attack with strength equal to the Follower's Force

Gunso Kisho Can only attach to a Mantis Clan Personality. Battle: Ranged 2 Attack. Reaction: After the target of a Ranged Attack from another card in this army is chosen: Increase that Ranged Attack's strength by 2.

If I recall, costs are paid after targeting. This means Kisho will not be bowed when his reaction would occur. Also, I believe the Ranged Attack is coming from Sunagawa, so it fits the "from another card" clause on his reaction.

Thank you very much!

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 26 March 2009

Can Yoritomo Sunagawa bow a Gunso Kisho for his own ability and get a +2 to that Ranged from the reaction of the Gunso Kisho he bowed.

Yoritomo Sunagawa Battle: Bow your target Follower: Ranged Attack with strength equal to the Follower's Force

Gunso Kisho Can only attach to a Mantis Clan Personality. Battle: Ranged 2 Attack. Reaction: After the target of a Ranged Attack from another card in this army is chosen: Increase that Ranged Attack's strength by 2.

If I recall, costs are paid after targeting. This means Kisho will not be bowed when his reaction would occur. Also, I believe the Ranged Attack is coming from Sunagawa, so it fits the "from another card" clause on his reaction.

Thank you very much!

Yes, Gunso Kisho works in the manner you described.

You can use Gunso Kisho's reaction with Yoritomo Sunagawa's action to produce a Ranged 4 Attack, bowing Gunso Kisho for the cost.

EDIT: I can do math, honest!

A player, 26 March 2009

regarding this answer viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74883

Would it not be a Ranged Attack 6? 2 (follower's force) + 2 (sunagawa's battle) + 2 (gunso reaction)?

Thanks

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 26 March 2009

regarding this answer viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74883

Would it not be a Ranged Attack 6? 2 (follower's force) + 2 (sunagawa's battle) + 2 (gunso reaction)?

Thanks

Me and my math. Fixing.

A player, 26 March 2009

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Wouldn't this produce a Ranged 4 attack?

2 Force (the Force of the follower) + 2 Force (the follower's reaction) = 4 Force

Where's this extra +2 Force coming from?

A player, 26 March 2009

This thread viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74883

How is the attack ranged 6? I count it as ranged 4. 2 from Kisho's base force, and 2 from Kisho's reaction. Where does the other 2 come from?

Dan Jacobson (rules official), 27 March 2009

This thread viewtopic.php?f=59&t=74883

How is the attack ranged 6? I count it as ranged 4. 2 from Kisho's base force, and 2 from Kisho's reaction. Where does the other 2 come from?

My math skills were better (worse?) than I thought.

Please keep in mind that Yoritomo Sunagawa is not printed as previewed. He has no bonus to his Ranged attack.