Misdirection and No Hiding Place

L5R CCG Rules board, 17 November 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 17 November 2008

Can my opponent react with a Misdirection after I played a No Hiding Place on one of my Ranged Attack, or does Misdirection have to be played before I have the opportunity to play my No Hidding Place ?

Thanks for your answer and all the hardwork.

[Mod edit, thread title spelling (to ease others' searches). -- MB2001]

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 17 November 2008

Can my opponent react with a Misdirection after I played a No Hiding Place on one of my Ranged Attack, or does Misdirection have to be played before I have the opportunity to play my No Hidding Place ?

Thanks for your answer and all the hardwork.

[Mod edit, thread title spelling (to ease others' searches). -- MB2001]

EDIT: No longer "Under Discussion".

Yes, your opponent must react with Misdirection before you react with No Hiding Place; Misdirection's trigger techinically comes first.

http://rules.l5r.com/Rulings_M#Misdirection: "The timing point of Misdirection's action trigger is: during the other player's action's Required Targeting Step, in between the last required targeting in the constraints block (if any) and the first required targeting in the effects block (if any)."

Because Misdirection's timing is "in between" constraints block and effects block targeting, it always triggers before things which trigger in response to a specific targeting within the effects, as No Hiding Place does.

So, after No Hiding Place, the timing has already passed for Misdirection, and it's too late.

A player, 17 November 2008

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=71910 question about this. If you do a ranged attack, and they misdirect, can you then use "no hiding place" to 'steal back' the ability to chose the target?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 17 November 2008

If you do a ranged attack, and they misdirect, can you then use "no hiding place" to 'steal back' the ability to chose the target?

No. No Hiding Place does not change the player doing the targeting, it only expands the range of available targets.