Saya and seppuku

L5R CCG Rules board, 18 September 2008

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A player, 18 September 2008

Bayushi Saya Scorpion Clan • Samurai • Courtier Political Open: Target a Personality. After the next time this turn his controller assigns him or an action resolves that he performed, his controller loses Honor equal to his Personal Honor, then he is dishonored.

Saya targets a personality. The personality is targeted by Assigning Blame later in the turn, and becomes dishonorable. The personality's controller has the personality commit seppuku off the honor loss (in order to not have a dishonored person on the table), and the personality is rehonored in the discard pile. The honor loss is not reduced as per Assigning Blame's text.

Since the personality is now honorable (even though he's dead), can his controller lose honor equal to his current PH and become dishonorable(ly) dead, as per Saya's text?

Alex Jones (rules official), 18 September 2008

Bayushi Saya Scorpion Clan • Samurai • Courtier Political Open: Target a Personality. After the next time this turn his controller assigns him or an action resolves that he performed, his controller loses Honor equal to his Personal Honor, then he is dishonored.

Saya targets a personality. The personality is targeted by Assigning Blame later in the turn, and becomes dishonorable. The personality's controller has the personality commit seppuku off the honor loss (in order to not have a dishonored person on the table), and the personality is rehonored in the discard pile. The honor loss is not reduced as per Assigning Blame's text.

Since the personality is now honorable (even though he's dead), can his controller lose honor equal to his current PH and become dishonorable(ly) dead, as per Saya's text?

Seppuku: Reaction: Any number of times per turn, before you lose Honor from an action that targeted or was performed by one of your Courtier or Samurai Personalities: He commits seppuku. If the seppuku destroyed him, reduce the Honor loss to one.

The seppuku Reaction is not performed by the personality, since it's not an ability on him, it's not an ability on a spell or item, and he's not targeted in the constraints block.