Unshakeable and terrains again

L5R CCG Rules board, 5 September 2008 to 10 September 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 5 September 2008

http://rules.l5r.com/index.php?title=Gl ... oldid=1700 A rules wiki dif link showing that, at some point between March 7th and March 24th, one of the special rules concerning terrains was modified from "If a Terrain leaves play, its effects with a duration end. This is not negation of those effects (that is, even effects that can not be negated do not apply any more)." to "If a Terrain is destroyed, its ongoing effects end, and its delayed effects will no longer be applied. This is not negation of those effects (that is, even effects that can not be negated will be ended)." (emphasis on specific change mine).

Was this an intentional change? Does this mean that I can now use Unshakable to play terrains such as Encircled Terrain from my discard pile for their delayed effects, because the terrain left play without being destroyed?

Encircled Terrain: Terrain Battle: Before this battle’s resolution, the Attacker and Defender, in the order of your choice, each choose one of his units at the current battlefield. Then, move all other units there home.

A player, 10 September 2008

Hello. Regarding this question here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=70538&p=915394&hilit=unshakable+terrain#p915394

Is there a final decision yet? What happens if I play Three-Stone River with Unshakable?

Thanks

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 10 September 2008

http://rules.l5r.com/index.php?title=Gl ... oldid=1700 A rules wiki dif link showing that, at some point between March 7th and March 24th, one of the special rules concerning terrains was modified from "If a Terrain leaves play, its effects with a duration end. This is not negation of those effects (that is, even effects that can not be negated do not apply any more)." to "If a Terrain is destroyed, its ongoing effects end, and its delayed effects will no longer be applied. This is not negation of those effects (that is, even effects that can not be negated will be ended)." (emphasis on specific change mine).

Was this an intentional change? Does this mean that I can now use Unshakable to play terrains such as Encircled Terrain from my discard pile for their delayed effects, because the terrain left play without being destroyed?

Encircled Terrain: Terrain Battle: Before this battle’s resolution, the Attacker and Defender, in the order of your choice, each choose one of his units at the current battlefield. Then, move all other units there home.

Not yet. Maybe soon.

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 10 September 2008

Fixed now; Terrains' effects returned to ending after leaving play and not just destruction:

http://rules.l5r.com/index.php?title=Glossary_T&diff=next&oldid=2015