Mysterious Deaths + Personality + Fortified Cavalry

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 June 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 22 June 2008

hi there

let's say my opponent has a single personality in play which has a fortified cavalry attached. i play mysterious death. can i choose to destroy fortified cavalery first to prevent its trigger saving the personality because i am the active player? (i only found sth about simultaneous triggers and am not sure if there is sth for effects too)

Mysterious Deaths: Unique Kolat Limited: Lose 4 Honor. Destroy each player's lowest Gold Cost unit. If any player has more than one unit tied for lowest Gold Cost, he choses which of his units is destroyed. Remove this card from the game.

Fortified Cavalry: Cavalry Can only attach to a Samurai. Before this card's Personality is destroyed by another player's action, remove this card from the game: Negate the Personality's destruction, create a 4F Cavalry Follower, and attach it to him.

Glossary Unit: [...]Effects on a unit are applied to the Personality and all cards in the unit at the same time.[...]

Timing: [...]If the order of simultaneous triggers to an occurrence needs to be determined, the active player determines their order. Example: Two personalities destroyed simultaneously in battle resolution, A and B, each have a Reaction or trait that trigger before they are destroyed. The active player decides whether Reactions and traits triggered by A’s destruction happen before or after Reactions and traits triggered by B’s destruction.[...]

thanks in advance

EDIT: i just found a thread where sb asked a similar question and so i know now that i can't choose which dies first http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=68911

but now i am asking me this:

a, b and c are about to be destroyed. what happens?

possibility 1:

A) before a is destroyed B) before b is destroyed C) before c is destroyed D) a, b, c are destroyed

or possibilty 2:

A) before a is destroyed B) a is destroyed C) before b is destroyed B) b is destroyed D) before c is destroyed B) c is destroyed

thanks in advance

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 22 June 2008

a, b and c are about to be destroyed by the same effect. There are potentially Reactions to take before each is destroyed. what happens?

possibility 1:

A) reactions to the trigger "before a is destroyed" B) reactions to the trigger "before b is destroyed" C) reactions to the trigger "before c is destroyed" D) a, b, c are destroyed

or possibilty 2:

A) reactions to the trigger "before a is destroyed" B) a is destroyed C) reactions to the trigger "before b is destroyed" B) b is destroyed D) reactions to the trigger "before c is destroyed" B) c is destroyed

"Possibility 1" is the proper way to resolve the scenario, insofar as A), B), and C) all occur before D). However (as also cited in your link), the active player may choose the order of A) B) and C).