Heated Discussion + Seppuku

L5R CCG Rules board, 5 April 2008

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 5 April 2008

Heated Discussion: Political Limited: Target another player's Personality. Create a battlefield and assign him to defend there. Assign any number of your Courtier or Magistrate Personalities to attack there. The Defender may then assign any of his Courtier or Magistrate Personalities there. Fight the battle. During the battle, before any Personality is destroyed, dishonor him instead.

Seppuku: If an effect directs a Personality to commit seppuku, apply the following effects: “Rehonor the Personality, then destroy him; these effects cannot be negated."

Reaction: Any number of times per turn, before you lose Honor from an action that targeted or was performed by one of your Courtier or Samurai Personalities: He commits seppuku. If the seppuku destroyed him, reduce the Honor loss to one.

Substitution: 23: The substitution of Y for X is not a negation of X.

As currently worded, since the dishonor effect is substituted for the destruction effect in the Seppuku action, it would seem that it is impossible to commit Seppuku as a result of an honor loss during Heated Discussion.

Two questions: 1. Is this the case? 2. Is this the intent on the rewording of Seppuku from the SE Rulebook?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 5 April 2008

(Because) the dishonor effect is substituted for the destruction effect in the Seppuku action, it would seem that it is impossible to commit Seppuku as a result of an honor loss during Heated Discussion.

The player reaction is legal to take, and will rehonor the personality before she is dishonored again by Heated Discussion, which may or may not be useful. The Personality won't be destroyed, though.