Conjunctions & Shiba Tsukimi

L5R CCG Rules board, 1 April 2008

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A player, 1 April 2008

The conjunctions rule states: "Modifiers attached to a phrase in the form of "a [modifier] X or Y" or "a [modifier] X and Y" modify both things in that phrase. Example: "A Shadowlands Shugenja or Monk" means "a Shadowlands Shugenja or a Shadowlands Monk."

My question is how does this rule apply to Shiba Tsukimi XP2's trait: Your Phoenix Clan cards and Yojimbo Followers have +1F.

Looking through the rules, there doesn't appear to be a rule that deals with the format "[modifier] X and [modifier] Y" but breaking it down a bit yielded the following:

The first modifier ("Phoenix Clan") carries forward through the "and" conjunction. This is consistent with the example of a "A Shadowlands Shugenja or Monk" meaning "a Shadowlands Shugenja or a Shadowlands Monk".

The second modifier ("Yojimbo") does NOT carry backwards. This is MOSTLY consistent with the example of "a Monk or a Shadowlands Shugenja" meaning what it says although I recognize that the presence of the "a" before "Shadowlands Shugenja" means that the example actually falls under the "a [modifier] X or a Y" heading. For what it's worth I believe that the example should read "'a Monk or Shadowlands Shugenja' means the same as 'a Monk or a Shadowlands Shugenja'" to fully clarify that modifiers don't carry backwards.

All of that being said, the game effect of Tsukimi would be:

Your Phoenix Clan cards have +1F. Your Phoenix Clan Yojimbo Followers have +1F.

I'm of the OPINION that this isn't what design wanted but, unless there's a ruling update, that's what they appear to have printed. I have thus far been unable to find any Samurai-legal Phoenix Clan Yojimbo Followers.

For clarity, my questions are - 'What does Shiba Tsukimi XP2 give force bonuses to?' and 'If she gives force bonuses to non-Phoenix Clan Yojimbo Followers, why does she do so?'

Thanks.

PS: The April Fools added filters for Samurai & Shugenja are amusing

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 1 April 2008

For clarity, my questions are - 'What does Shiba Tsukimi XP2 give force bonuses to?' and 'If she gives force bonuses to non-Phoenix Clan Yojimbo Followers, why does she do so?'

Thanks.

She gives bonuses to your Phoenix Clan cards, and she gives bonuses to your Yojimbo Followers.

As to why...

The conjunctions rule states: "Modifiers attached to a phrase in the form of "a [modifier] X or Y" or "a [modifier] X and Y" modify both things in that phrase.

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Looking through the rules, there doesn't appear to be a rule that deals with the format "[modifier] X and [modifier] Y"...

Just as you said, the format "[modifier] X and [modifier] Y" is different than the one governed by the conjunctions rule, therefore the rule doesn't apply to this particular case. However, you will note that if we look at the bigger picture, [modifier] X and [modifier] Y are both preceeded by [modifier = "your"], which DOES fit the format governed by this rule. Meaning, in that case, the "your" carries through to both X (Phoenix Clan cards) and Y (Yojimbo Followers). Yay for grammar algebra.

(Clarified)