A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 20 February 2008
I was playing a game today and a situation came up:
I was at a battlefield controlling Utaku Yu-Pan with two penalties; -3f/-1c from Silent Movements and -1f/-1c from a Kyuichi token. The opposing player plays Parley on Yu-Pan, he argued that Yu-Pan would then die since the penalty would be -4f/-2c then the token from Kyuichi would kick in and finish her off. I argued that he needed to give the Kyuichi penalty after using Parley in order for her to die since Parley would 'see' the token and adjust the penalty to -1C instead of -2C if it was already on her.
Which is correct? Does parley take into account the current chi of the personality from all tokens and modify its penalty accordingly? Or does Parley ignore the tokens and current effects and go purely by the personalities base stats, allowing the person to then die from effects already on her before Parley was announced?
Parley Political Battle: Target one of your unbowed Personalities: Target an enemy Personality. Give each target a Force and Chi penalty equal to his own Personal Honor; this cannot reduce Chi below 1.
Martin Lund (rules official), 20 February 2008
I was playing a game today and a situation came up:
I was at a battlefield controlling Utaku Yu-Pan with two penalties; -3f/-1c from Silent Movements and -1f/-1c from a Kyuichi token. The opposing player plays Parley on Yu-Pan, he argued that Yu-Pan would then die since the penalty would be -4f/-2c then the token from Kyuichi would kick in and finish her off. I argued that he needed to give the Kyuichi penalty after using Parley in order for her to die since Parley would 'see' the token and adjust the penalty to -1C instead of -2C if it was already on her.
Which is correct? Does parley take into account the current chi of the personality from all tokens and modify its penalty accordingly? Or does Parley ignore the tokens and current effects and go purely by the personalities base stats, allowing the person to then die from effects already on her before Parley was announced?
Parley Political Battle: Target one of your unbowed Personalities: Target an enemy Personality. Give each target a Force and Chi penalty equal to his own Personal Honor; this cannot reduce Chi below 1.
Penalties are normally calculated in the order they were introduced to the card.
So if a personality with 2PH and 3C gets a -1C token and then later someone plays Parley against him, Parley applies against his current 2C, and reduces it to 1C.
If you want to piggy-back off of Parley to kill someone with Chi Penalties you'll need to deliver those penalties AFTER Parley, not before it.
For instance, play Parley to reduce someone to 1C, then use Shosuro Kyuichi's Reaction after Parley to add a -1F/-1C Poison token and finish your victim off.