Overlayed, Dead, and Honorable Rebirth

L5R CCG Rules board, 1 December 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 1 December 2007

A few digs in the search engine didn't turn up anything specifically addressing it, so I figured I'd ask just to be sure. When an experienced/overlayed personality is killed, the rules say that the underlying cards in the stack are removed from the game. The rules also say that the overlying card in the stack had inherited the abilities of the underlying cards.

My question is, if I return that formerly-overlayed personality to play again using either Honorable Rebirth or Hope from Death, would he still have those inherited abilities from before, or did he lose those when he died?

From the Comprehensive Rules "The stack has the overlaying card’s title, stats, keywords, traits, and abilities, and any other feature the game needs to check is based on the overlaying card. The stack also inherits the underlying card’s base abilities, including ones that have been removed in the course of play. This is not considered an ability gain. The inherited ability on the new card is the same copy, and remembers whether it has been used. However, in the process of inheriting, if the overlaying card has a different title than the underlying one, references in abilities to the card’s own title are changed to the new title, similar to what happens when an ability is copied."

"When a stack containing overlaying cards leaves play, all underlying cards in it are removed from the game. Only Personalities can overlay or be overlaid.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 1 December 2007

(I)f I return that formerly-overlayed personality to play again using either Honorable Rebirth or Hope from Death, would he still have those inherited abilities from before(?)

Retained.

(Unless the card has somehow been face down and out of play; see http://rules.l5r.com/Effects#Tracking_rule).