Entering Play Honor Loss+Dirty Politics

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 November 2007

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A player, 22 November 2007

Relevant Text: http://rules.l5r.com/Costs_and_restrict ... nd_changes Costs must be payable when an action is announced under the Good Faith Rule. If, due to interference from other effects, a mandatory cost cannot be paid at the point when it must be paid:

No remaining costs need be paid, but costs already paid are not refunded. No effects of the action or trait resolve, and the ability or trait is considered to have been “used.” If the cost was for a card to enter play, it is discarded.

Dirty Politics: 0 GC, 1 FV Political Reaction: Before another player loses Honor: Negate the loss, then gain Honor equal to the amount you negated

So the situation is this. A Corrupt Crab decides to bring random Oni A into play, who carries a 3 honor loss entering play cost(As honor loss is a cost to bringing them into play as I understand it). I Dirty Politics the 3 Honor loss, Gain 3 honor, and the cost is no longer paid so the Oni is discarded, right?

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 22 November 2007

So the situation is this. A Corrupt Crab decides to bring random Oni A into play, who carries a 3 honor loss entering play cost(As honor loss is a cost to bringing them into play as I understand it).

Honor loss could be a cost, but usually it is not for Oni Personality cards. "Lose 3 Honor" is an entering play effect, not a cost. You could have honor loss as a cost, but it would have to specifically say something like "You must lose 3 Honor as a cost to play this card."