A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 16 November 2007
One of my personalities loses a duel and is about to be destroyed as a result. I've got an Assigning Blame in my hand, and a Shosuro Adeiko and a Shosuro Jimen (non-xp) in play. I want to react to the destruction and to the end of the duel with those three cards.
As stated in the comprehensive rules, personalities are destroyed at step I. Duel ends after step J is complete. What will be the right timing window for each?
First either Assigning Blame or Adeiko (step I), then Jimen (after step J)? Or Assigning Blame (step I), and either Jimen or Adeiko (after step J)? Or any other that I fail to see.
Relevant texts:
Shosuro Adeiko reads: Scorpion Clan • Samurai • Magistrate Adeiko has +2F while opposing a Personality with lower Personal Honor. Reaction: After the effects resolve of a battle resolution, action, or trait that destroyed Adeiko or one of your other Personalities: Give a target Personality a -3F/-1C token, and an additional -1C token if he is dishonorable.
Shosuro Jimen reads: Scorpion Clan • Courtier • Unique • Poison Master Open: Target a Personality. After any action he performs this turn resolves, bow him. Political Reaction: After a battle or duel ends: Dishonor a target Personality who opposed one of your Personalities in the battle or duel.
Assigning Blame reads: Political Reaction: After one of your Personalities is destroyed, if you control a Courtier: Dishonor a target Personality. His controller loses 3 Honor; this loss can be negated but not reduced.
Martin Lund (rules official), 19 November 2007
One of my personalities loses a duel and is about to be destroyed as a result. I've got an Assigning Blame in my hand, and a Shosuro Adeiko and a Shosuro Jimen (non-xp) in play. I want to react to the destruction and to the end of the duel with those three cards.
As stated in the comprehensive rules, personalities are destroyed at step I. Duel ends after step J is complete. What will be the right timing window for each?
First either Assigning Blame or Adeiko (step I), then Jimen (after step J)? Or Assigning Blame (step I), and either Jimen or Adeiko (after step J)? Or any other that I fail to see.
Relevant texts:
Shosuro Adeiko reads: Scorpion Clan • Samurai • Magistrate Adeiko has +2F while opposing a Personality with lower Personal Honor. Reaction: After the effects resolve of a battle resolution, action, or trait that destroyed Adeiko or one of your other Personalities: Give a target Personality a -3F/-1C token, and an additional -1C token if he is dishonorable.
Shosuro Jimen reads: Scorpion Clan • Courtier • Unique • Poison Master Open: Target a Personality. After any action he performs this turn resolves, bow him. Political Reaction: After a battle or duel ends: Dishonor a target Personality who opposed one of your Personalities in the battle or duel.
Assigning Blame reads: Political Reaction: After one of your Personalities is destroyed, if you control a Courtier: Dishonor a target Personality. His controller loses 3 Honor; this loss can be negated but not reduced.
Share the Blame is played after the destruction effect is applied as the result of a duel. (Step I)
Jimen's ability is played after the duel ends. (Step J)
Adeiko's ability is played after the Action that created the duel is considered to have all its (non-Delayed) effects resolved. (Way after the Dueling sequence ends)