Bowed personalities/units and their force

L5R CCG Rules board, 19 October 2007

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A player, 19 October 2007

During a battle if I control a bowed personality with 10F and my oponent controls a unbowed samurai with 3F can I target his samurai with actions that compare force like Barracks of the Damned, Koutetsu Kabe and other stuff like that even though my personality is bowed??

What about he targeting my bowed 10F personality with actions that compare against units total force like Greater Sacrifice, Crane's Strenght and others? As far as I know a bowed unit doesn't add force to the army total but it's not considered 0 for other purposes, is it?

I'm sorry for asking this simple question but I was in doubt about that recently.

Thanks in advance!

Martin Lund (rules official), 19 October 2007

During a battle if I control a bowed personality with 10F and my oponent controls a unbowed samurai with 3F can I target his samurai with actions that compare force like Barracks of the Damned, Koutetsu Kabe and other stuff like that even though my personality is bowed??

What about he targeting my bowed 10F personality with actions that compare against units total force like Greater Sacrifice, Crane's Strenght and others? As far as I know a bowed unit doesn't add force to the army total but it's not considered 0 for other purposes, is it?

I'm sorry for asking this simple question but I was in doubt about that recently.

Thanks in advance!

Unit Force and Card Force are different.

Cards have Force - all the time. Their bowed or unbowed status does not change their Force. A bowed 10F Personality is still a 10F Personality.

Units have the Total Force of all their unbowed Personalities and Followers. Bowing or straightening the individual Personalities and Followers in a unit can change the unit's Force Total. A unit consisting of a single 10F Personality has 10F when he is unbowed and 0F when he is bowed.

For more information on how Unit Force is calculated, check out the Comprehensive Rules: Glossary entry for Unit.