Unshakable and Circle of Steel and Unfamiliar Ground

L5R CCG Rules board, 13 October 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 13 October 2007

Card texts

Unshakable

Tactical Battle: Target an Action card in your discard pile. Play it for one of its Battle abilities as an additional action. Remove this card and the target card from the game, even if out of play, after that action ends. (Observe restrictions on the ability's number of uses, such as the default "once per turn.")

Circle of Steel

Terrain Battle: Your Personalities at this battlefield have +1F/+1C while they have an attachment. After this battle resolves, until your next turn ends, your Personalities who were at this battlefield during resolution can not be targeted by other players’ actions while they have an attachment and are not in an army.

Unfamiliar Ground

Terrain Battle: Bow each card with more than 4F now at this battlefield. If this Terrain is destroyed before this battle resolves, straighten all cards it bowed.

Hi,

Sorry to beat this to death, but I was having a discussion with another player about theses cards.

I am I correct is the following, and if not please explain what should happen.

I play unshakable to use unfamiliar ground from my discard pile. All the units with more than 4f bow. Then unshakable leaves play taking the unfarmiliar ground with it. All the now bowed units then straighten. Is that correct?

Next turn, I use unshakable to play circle of steel from the discard pile. All the units I control get +1/+1 as long as they have an attachment. The unshakable leaves play taking the circle with it. Do the units now lose the +1/+1? Are units able to be targeted on my next turn?

Once again thanks for clearing this up. We sifted through the answers already posted, but that just sparked more debate.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 13 October 2007

I play unshakable to use unfamiliar ground from my discard pile. All the units with more than 4f bow. Then unshakable leaves play taking the unfarmiliar ground with it. All the now bowed units then straighten. Is that correct?

No.

Bowing is not an effect with a duration, so it does not end automatically when the terrain leaves play by the default rule as described here: viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60968

Unfamiliar Ground straightens cards if it is "destroyed." Unshakable does not destroy anything. It removes it from the game.

On: Circle of Steel, Unfamiliar Ground

I use unshakable to play circle of steel from the discard pile. All the units I control get +1/+1 as long as they have an attachment. The unshakable leaves play taking the circle with it. Do the units now lose the +1/+1?

Yes. That's an effect with a duration, so it ends due to the terrain leaving. viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60968

On: Circle of Steel, Unfamiliar Ground

Are units able to be targeted on my next turn?

Yes, because that's a delayed effect. viewtopic.php?f=59&t=60558

On: Circle of Steel, Unfamiliar Ground