Bayushi Hisako + Gaining Honor from Battle Resolution

L5R CCG Rules board, 18 September 2007

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A player, 18 September 2007

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Bayushi Hisako

Scorpion Clan • Samurai • Hero • Bitter Lies Champion Reaction: After Hisako is destroyed: Dishonor another target Personality who opposed her when she was destroyed, or who performed the action that destroyed her. The target cannot be rehonored this turn. Bow him if he is Crab Clan.

Battle Resolution B. Follow one of the procedures under this heading, in order, depending on the battle’s outcome.

If the Attacker Wins:

* The Attacker simultaneously destroys all cards in the defending army. This is an effect of battle resolution.

* If his force exceeds the defending army’s Force plus the Province Strength of the province the current battlefield is associated with, he destroys the province. This is an effect of battle resolution.

* The Attacker gains Honor from resolution equal to twice the number of cards in the defending army that were destroyed by the effects of resolution. Before the Attacker gains 1 or more points of Honor from resolution, if the attacking army contains one or more dishonorable Personalities, these Personalities are all restored to honorable status, and the Honor gain from resolution is negated.

Question #1:> Since the reaction specifically occurs after she is destroyed, can Bayushi Hisako still use her reaction even if she was bowed when she was destroyed?

Question #2:> An unbowed Bayushi Hisako with two cards attached is destroyed during battle resolution. Does her reaction to dishonor a personality who opposed her when she was destroyed occur before or after honor is gained due to battle resolution?

Chris Fuchs (rules official), 18 September 2007

* The Attacker simultaneously destroys all cards in the defending army. This is an effect of battle resolution.

* If his force exceeds the defending army’s Force plus the Province Strength of the province the current battlefield is associated with, he destroys the province. This is an effect of battle resolution.

* The Attacker gains Honor from resolution equal to twice the number of cards in the defending army that were destroyed by the effects of resolution. Before the Attacker gains 1 or more points of Honor from resolution, if the attacking army contains one or more dishonorable Personalities, these Personalities are all restored to honorable status, and the Honor gain from resolution is negated.

Hisako's reaction is triggered after step 1. Honor would be gained during step 3. Her reaction is clearly before honor is gained.