A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 2 September 2007
Re: This.
I'm sorry, but the assertions that Marty has been outvoted and that the Obsidian Dragon's Chi penality constantly re-adjusts (in the first link in the above post) both appear erroneous.
The second point in the wiki on the Dragon says clearly "A Personality's Chi can be reduced to 0C by Chi penalties from sources other than Obsidian Dragon." as Marty asserts in the second link in the above post. Also, the very day the wiki entry was added, Chris ruled the same way here, that an additional Chi penalty CAN kill a Personality suffering Obsidian Dragon penalites.
It seems to me that the re-adjustment ruling is based on the first point of the wiki, "Obsidian Dragon's Chi penalty will be reduced if it plus other current penalties would result in a Personality having less than 1C." As I read it, this is only referring to the penality's initial (and only) application, to clarify the fact that the penality itself incurs a minimum as opposed to the stat, and it is not meant to imply constant recalculation. If it IS meant to imply constant recaluculation, then it at least directly contradicts the second point.
Please, I strongly feel further clarification is needed.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 2 September 2007
Re: This.
I'm sorry, but the assertions that Marty has been outvoted and that the Obsidian Dragon's Chi penality constantly re-adjusts (in the first link in the above post) both appear erroneous.
The second point in the wiki on the Dragon says clearly "A Personality's Chi can be reduced to 0C by Chi penalties from sources other than Obsidian Dragon." as Marty asserts in the second link in the above post. Also, the very day the wiki entry was added, Chris ruled the same way here, that an additional Chi penalty CAN kill a Personality suffering Obsidian Dragon penalites.
It seems to me that the re-adjustment ruling is based on the first point of the wiki, "Obsidian Dragon's Chi penalty will be reduced if it plus other current penalties would result in a Personality having less than 1C." As I read it, this is only referring to the penality's initial (and only) application, to clarify the fact that the penality itself incurs a minimum as opposed to the stat, and it is not meant to imply constant recalculation. If it IS meant to imply constant recaluculation, then it at least directly contradicts the second point.
Please, I strongly feel further clarification is needed.
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=61151: Chris says you need another penalty to kill someone, but doesn't say how much of a penalty. My post in the same thread also says that the Obsidian Dragon penalty does not provide blanket protection against dying from 0C, so another penalty can kill someone. The two posts do not necessarily contradict.