A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 23 August 2007
Daigotsu Spider Clan • Clan Champion • Shugenja • Duelist • Shadowlands • Experienced 2 • Unique • Loyal Lose 20 Honor. Personalities opposing Daigotsu have a Force penalty equal to their Personal Honor. Battle/Open: Even if Daigotsu is bowed: Straighten a target Shadowlands Personality and bow or straighten a target Shadowlands card. Force 7 Chi 6 Honor - Gold 12 Phonor 1Okay, let's assume Daigotsu XP 2 attacks a Province. He's alone, but thanks to a Force boost of +2, he has enough Force available to crack said Province like a nutshell, all by himself.
Togashi Tsuri
Dragon Clan • Monk • Tattooed • Experienced • Unique Battle: Exchange Tsuri's Force or his Chi with the same stat on a target Personality opposing him. Reaction: After a Ring bows: Gain 1 Honor. Force 3 Chi 3 Honor 4 Gold 6 Phonor 4 Togashi Tsuri now is assigning to defend. As he's opposing Daigotsu, he has a Force penality of his own PH, which is 4. That lowers his Force to 0 (-1).
So far, so good.
But now Tsuri is crazy enough to exchange his Force with Daigotsu's.
What is happening?
A possibility is that now, Tsuri has Daigotsu's Force of 9 (7+2 Force Boost), while Daigotsu has Tsuri's meek Force of 0 (-1). But shouldn't Tsuri still receive the Force penality for opposing Daigotsu? And does this mean that Tsuri now has a Force of 5 (9 - PH 4 = 5), while Daigotsu still has those meek 0 (-1)? And is this Force Penality even exchanged, or will Daigotsu receive Tsuri's normal Force of 3, after the exchange?
Help?
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 23 August 2007
Daigotsu Spider Clan • Clan Champion • Shugenja • Duelist • Shadowlands • Experienced 2 • Unique • Loyal Lose 20 Honor. Personalities opposing Daigotsu have a Force penalty equal to their Personal Honor. Battle/Open: Even if Daigotsu is bowed: Straighten a target Shadowlands Personality and bow or straighten a target Shadowlands card. Force 7 Chi 6 Honor - Gold 12 Phonor 1Okay, let's assume Daigotsu XP 2 attacks a Province. He's alone, but thanks to a Force boost of +2, he has enough Force available to crack said Province like a nutshell, all by himself.
Togashi Tsuri
Dragon Clan • Monk • Tattooed • Experienced • Unique Battle: Exchange Tsuri's Force or his Chi with the same stat on a target Personality opposing him. Reaction: After a Ring bows: Gain 1 Honor. Force 3 Chi 3 Honor 4 Gold 6 Phonor 4 Togashi Tsuri now is assigning to defend. As he's opposing Daigotsu, he has a Force penality of his own PH, which is 4. That lowers his Force to 0 (-1).
So far, so good.
But now Tsuri is crazy enough to exchange his Force with Daigotsu's.
What is happening?
A possibility is that now, Tsuri has Daigotsu's Force of 9 (7+2 Force Boost), while Daigotsu has Tsuri's meek Force of 0 (-1). But shouldn't Tsuri still receive the Force penality for opposing Daigotsu? And does this mean that Tsuri now has a Force of 5 (9 - PH 4 = 5), while Daigotsu still has those meek 0 (-1)? And is this Force Penality even exchanged, or will Daigotsu receive Tsuri's normal Force of 3, after the exchange?
Help?
Switch current stats and do not reapply bonuses.
Additional: Just added a section on setting stats to a particular value in the Rules Wiki. http://rules.l5r.com/Card_features#Gene ... bout_stats
Martin Lund (rules official), 23 August 2007
Tsuri gets a +10 Force bonus.
Daigotsu gets -9 Force penalty.
Tsuri winds up with 9 Force (3 - 4 + 10 = 9). Daigotsu ends up with 0 Force (7 + 2 - 9 = 0).
- Marty Lund Deputy Rules Monkey