A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 23 July 2007
Ok, Courage in death:
Reaction: Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Give another target Personality a Force bonus equal to your Personality's Chi. If you are a Crab Clan player, delay your Personality's destruction until after the battle ends.
Now, the meat of my question is does this delay death from the action or effect which destroyed the targeted personality, or does it delay ALL effects that would otherwise destroy the personality until the stated end of battle?
More specifically, let us suppose that a crab player has one of his personalities destroyed as the result of a duel, applies CiD to effectively postpone destruction, then another duel was issued to this pesonality and killed it again, would he evaporate into a pool of meat and gristle or continue fighting further without the aid of a second CiD?
Now, for this next part from the Comprehensive Rules site - Card Features:
If the Chi of a Personality in play is ever zero, destroy him. This destruction has special rules about its source.
This destruction from zero Chi is continuously applied. If a one-time triggered effect negates the personality's destruction from zero Chi, he is destroyed again immediately after the negation happens. Only a continuous negation effect (for example, "This Personality cannot be destroyed") can overcome the Personality's destruction.
Continuing, assuming that this personality is first hit with a very nasty chi penalty and is about to collapse, but before his body gives out to exhaustion and infirmity, he tosses an ineffectual +0 force bonus to one of his friends and continues fighting, assuming this personality were not immune to multiple deaths, would a chi penalty cause a second death after it's first death were delayed due to him having 0 chi[A chi death that was negated would still in the end kill the personality per , so what really happens in this case]? Assuming that this personality is dieing many many times over in sequence, coughing and spasming while his brave friends fight onward, is this causing multiple different deaths that could be reacted to? Opposite situation, assuming that chi death happens ONCE and is put on hold until battle's end, if he were hit with a second chi penalty, would he have been hit by two death effects then?
Lastly, in the event that all of this silliness has happened at once in the same battle (two lethal duels and one lethal chi penalty followed by a second in frustration) and all deaths have all been delayed until the end of the battle by either one or infinite CiDs, at the battle resolution, do they all hit simultaneously, thus creating an opportunity to use a reaction to death on two duels and 1 or more chi deaths all at once? With the following imaginary ability;
Reaction: when a crab clan player's personality dies, cry one tear.
How many tears would be shed for the crab clan player's personality and at what points during the battle? Thank you very much for your help, I tried to cover every possibly question I may encounter regarding this card, ever, and still be clear about what I was asking. Gave myself a small headache in the process.
Chris Fuchs (rules official), 23 July 2007
Ok, Courage in death:
Reaction: Before one of your Personalities is destroyed during battle: Give another target Personality a Force bonus equal to your Personality's Chi. If you are a Crab Clan player, delay your Personality's destruction until after the battle ends.
Now, the meat of my question is does this delay death from the action or effect which destroyed the targeted personality, or does it delay ALL effects that would otherwise destroy the personality until the stated end of battle?
More specifically, let us suppose that a crab player has one of his personalities destroyed as the result of a duel, applies CiD to effectively postpone destruction, then another duel was issued to this pesonality and killed it again, would he evaporate into a pool of meat and gristle or continue fighting further without the aid of a second CiD?
Now, for this next part from the Comprehensive Rules site - Card Features:
If the Chi of a Personality in play is ever zero, destroy him. This destruction has special rules about its source.
This destruction from zero Chi is continuously applied. If a one-time triggered effect negates the personality's destruction from zero Chi, he is destroyed again immediately after the negation happens. Only a continuous negation effect (for example, "This Personality cannot be destroyed") can overcome the Personality's destruction.
Continuing, assuming that this personality is first hit with a very nasty chi penalty and is about to collapse, but before his body gives out to exhaustion and infirmity, he tosses an ineffectual +0 force bonus to one of his friends and continues fighting, assuming this personality were not immune to multiple deaths, would a chi penalty cause a second death after it's first death were delayed due to him having 0 chi[A chi death that was negated would still in the end kill the personality per , so what really happens in this case]? Assuming that this personality is dieing many many times over in sequence, coughing and spasming while his brave friends fight onward, is this causing multiple different deaths that could be reacted to? Opposite situation, assuming that chi death happens ONCE and is put on hold until battle's end, if he were hit with a second chi penalty, would he have been hit by two death effects then?
Lastly, in the event that all of this silliness has happened at once in the same battle (two lethal duels and one lethal chi penalty followed by a second in frustration) and all deaths have all been delayed until the end of the battle by either one or infinite CiDs, at the battle resolution, do they all hit simultaneously, thus creating an opportunity to use a reaction to death on two duels and 1 or more chi deaths all at once? With the following imaginary ability;
Reaction: when a crab clan player's personality dies, cry one tear.
How many tears would be shed for the crab clan player's personality and at what points during the battle? Thank you very much for your help, I tried to cover every possibly question I may encounter regarding this card, ever, and still be clear about what I was asking. Gave myself a small headache in the process.
Courage in Death will only delay one death effect. You would need multiples to survive multiple kill attempts. A Chi of 0 will continuously kill the personality, so Courage in Death will not prevent chi death.
Without Will or some other way to revive your dead, only one tear will be shed. Regardless of how many death effects are delayed, the first one will kill the personality, and the rest will be negated assuming the personality remains dead. (Gotta cover the inevitable Daizu followup.)