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A player, 27 June 2007
Dirty Politics Political Reaction: Before another player loses Honor, negate the loss, then gain Honor equal to the amount you negated. Political Reaction: Before another player gains Honor, negate the gain, then lose Honor equal to the amount you negated.
and as example Daigotsu or other lose honor cards
Spider Clan • Clan Champion • Shugenja • Duelist • Shadowlands • Experienced 2 • Unique • Loyal Lose 20 Honor.
Would I gain 20 honor when my oponent brings Daigotsu into play before the clause on his shadowlands/spider stronghold to negate loses?
I know Daigotsu just got previewed but the question is gaining honor from my opponent losses, just daigotsu had a bigger number and hadn't the same clause as Oni no Akuma (cannot negate the loss).
Thanks for your time.
Zen Faulkes (rules official), 27 June 2007
and as example Daigotsu or other lose honor cards
Would I gain 20 honor when my oponent brings Daigotsu into play before the clause on his shadowlands/spider stronghold to negate loses?
I know Daigotsu just got previewed but the question is gaining honor from my opponent losses, just daigotsu had a bigger number and hadn't the same clause as Oni no Akuma (cannot negate the loss).
Thanks for your time.
When Samurai Edition rules come into effect, the Spider stronghold will work like the Shadowlands strongholds did: there will be no honor loss to manipulate at all.
While I'm here, this is as good a time to mention that when the Samurai Edition rules hits, The Spider's Lair stronghold will not be negating honor losses as it does now. Again, it will work like the Shadowlands strongholds work: there are simply no losses at all, so this means that a Spider's Lair player will not lose honor even for honor losses that cannot be negated. This is not so much a reversal as new rules and wordings coming into effect.
In fact, I should probably sticky this thread for a while.