Shosuro Jimen

L5R CCG Rules board, 26 June 2007

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A player, 26 June 2007

My question regarding Jimen is thus:

After a duel involving a personality I control, and a personality controlled by another player. My personality wins, resulting in the destruction of the personality.

Can I dishonor him as he is on his way to the discard pile? Or dishonor the personality in the discard pile?

Jimen reads:

Political Reaction: After a battle or duel ends: Dishonor a target Personality who opposed one of your Personalities in the battle or duel.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 26 June 2007

Shosuro Jimen: After a duel involving a personality I control, and a personality controlled by another player. My personality wins, resulting in the destruction of the personality. Can I dishonor him as he is on his way to the discard pile? Or dishonor the personality in the discard pile?

The Personality isn't on the way, it's already dead if the duel kills.

Comprehensive Rules, Effects in and out of play: "Effects only apply to cards that are either in play, or in a temporary focusing, entering-play, or resolution area, unless: they specify an out of play area, are triggered by a card entering an out of play area (such as, being destroyed or discarded from the hand), or use wording such as “all Samurai in and out of play”."

Shosuro Jimen's text doesn't hit any of those categories. No.