Shinbone Warpack

L5R CCG Rules board, 30 May 2007

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A player, 30 May 2007

I have a question concerning Shinbone Warpack (The Experienced Shinbone Pack from Khan's Defiance).

From Shinbone Warpack:

After the first time each turn a Ratling Personality is destroyed: Give Shinbone Warpack a +2F Pack token. Before Shinbone Warpack would be destroyed, remove a Pack token from it: Negate the destruction.

What happens to the pack if it has say, 3 pack tokens, and is given a -3 chi penalty, bringing it's chi to 0?

From the LE Rulebook:

If a Personality's Chi is ever 0, destroy him.

As I understand it, it would go something like this:

1) Chi = zero, Shinbone Warpack is destroyed.

2) Remove a Pack token to negate the destruction.

3) Chi is still zero, Shinbone Warpack is destroyed.

4) Remove a Pack token to negate the destruction.

5) Chi is still zero, Shinbone Warpack is destroyed.

Rinse and repeat until all Pack tokens have been removed and Warpack is destroyed. Is this correct? Or does the first "Remove a Pack token to negate the destruction." also negate the chi penalty or othwerwise keep the Warpack alive?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 30 May 2007

I have a question concerning Shinbone Warpack (The Experienced Shinbone Pack from Khan's Defiance).

From Shinbone Warpack:

What happens to the pack if it has say, 3 pack tokens, and is given a -3 chi penalty, bringing it's chi to 0?

From the LE Rulebook:

As I understand it, it would go something like this:

1) Chi = zero, Shinbone Warpack is destroyed.

2) Remove a Pack token to negate the destruction.

3) Chi is still zero, Shinbone Warpack is destroyed.

4) Remove a Pack token to negate the destruction.

5) Chi is still zero, Shinbone Warpack is destroyed.

Rinse and repeat until all Pack tokens have been removed and Warpack is destroyed. Is this correct? Or does the first "Remove a Pack token to negate the destruction." also negate the chi penalty or othwerwise keep the Warpack alive?

Thanks in advance for your help!

Wow, this goes right back to the very first FAQ and the Goblin Warmonger.

It's doomed.

You can negate the destruction as much as you want, but if that Chi penalty is still there, it will immediately die again.