Daigotsu Hidetsugu and Chuda Eiichi

L5R CCG Rules board, 25 May 2007 to 27 May 2007

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 25 May 2007

The wording on these two cards has me a bit puzzled, for reference, here they are:

Maho Battle: Even if Eiichi is not at this battlefield, bow him: Bow a target Personality with lower Chi and permanently give him Shadowlands.

and

Battle: Bow or straighten a target Shadowlands Personality.

Now the wording on Chuda Eiichi seems to say that he works differently than normal for relevance/presence, implying that either

1) The rules for Presence and Relevance are changing in Samurai

2) He can target units at battlfields other than the current battlefield

3) He can target the current battlefield even if you have no presence already there

4) It's just awkward wording

Otherwise he has a chunk of text that is simply unnecessary, since, as I understand it, the current Relevance and Presence rules would allow Hidetsugu to target and bow/straighten cards in the current battle from home or another battlefield as long as you have a unit at the current battle. Really, I guess I'm just asking for some clarification if Eiichi has some sort of ability to target outside the bounds of normal presence and relevance, or if I'm getting something backwards in there.

Zen Faulkes (rules official), 27 May 2007

The wording on these two cards has me a bit puzzled, for reference, here they are:

and

Now the wording on Chuda Eiichi seems to say that he works differently than normal for relevance/presence, implying that either

1) The rules for Presence and Relevance are changing in Samurai

2) He can target units at battlfields other than the current battlefield

3) He can target the current battlefield even if you have no presence already there

4) It's just awkward wording

Otherwise he has a chunk of text that is simply unnecessary, since, as I understand it, the current Relevance and Presence rules would allow Hidetsugu to target and bow/straighten cards in the current battle from home or another battlefield as long as you have a unit at the current battle. Really, I guess I'm just asking for some clarification if Eiichi has some sort of ability to target outside the bounds of normal presence and relevance, or if I'm getting something backwards in there.

Chuda Eiichi's text waives the requirement for Presence.