A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from the Wayback Machine (its copy), so posts it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 8 March 2005
Due to the recent threads about Rain of Death and how its actions are used,I have come to the conclusion that,while formations enter play,they NEVER belong to an army.Furthermore,another ruling a while back(on the ccg-list I think)(again about rain of death)said that if you play a formation,somehow suspend the current battle(eg Summon Air Kami),and began resolving another one, if you still met the "formed by " requirements, then the formation was still in play and its actions usable in the new battlefield,therefore showing that formations played during a battle at a battlefield are not specific to that battlefield.
My question is:Can a formation in play be targeted by "Death of Ryoshun",thus making the use of its actions unplayable?
I believe that targetting a formation with "Death of Ryoshun"would not satisfy the rule of relevance.,since nothing would be targeted or affected in the current battle.However,I have seen many players do this very thing(usually shutting off "invincible legions"),most recently during the mouzaka championship,and I don't know which ir right.Could someone enlighten me?
Martin Lund (rules official), 8 March 2005
Due to the recent threads about Rain of Death and how its actions are used,I have come to the conclusion that,while formations enter play,they NEVER belong to an army.Furthermore,another ruling a while back(on the ccg-list I think)(again about rain of death)said that if you play a formation,somehow suspend the current battle(eg Summon Air Kami),and began resolving another one, if you still met the "formed by " requirements, then the formation was still in play and its actions usable in the new battlefield,therefore showing that formations played during a battle at a battlefield are not specific to that battlefield.
My question is:Can a formation in play be targeted by "Death of Ryoshun",thus making the use of its actions unplayable?
I believe that targetting a formation with "Death of Ryoshun"would not satisfy the rule of relevance.,since nothing would be targeted or affected in the current battle.However,I have seen many players do this very thing(usually shutting off "invincible legions"),most recently during the mouzaka championship,and I don't know which ir right.Could someone enlighten me?
Death of Ryoshun does not target.
The bizzare "Summon Air Kami" example Zen answered doesn't alter the location of the Formation card played. It is still at the suspended battle. However, that does not mean its effects stop working just because another battle is resolving.
Naming a Formation that is in play at the Current Battlefield, however, affects that card by making its abilities unplayable, so it is Relevant. Naming a Formation in play at a battle suspended by Summon Air Kami rather than the Current Battle, however, is not.