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A player, 24 February 2005
... but because the rules changed, I have to start a new thread to ask for a clarification (count that as a vote that the new rules are kinda stupid...)
I'm still confused by Marty and Jeff's answer on the P'an Ku debate. Does that long-forgotten rule finally, effectively prevent the various infinite-ability combos with P'an Ku?
(For those who don't know what I'm talking about: read the P'an Ku thread; I just can't make out what Marty's quote of Jeff's answer actually means, there are too many questions and devious expressions in there - English isn't my native language, after all, so I've got an excuse )
Martin Lund (rules official), 24 February 2005
... but because the rules changed, I have to start a new thread to ask for a clarification (count that as a vote that the new rules are kinda stupid...)
I'm still confused by Marty and Jeff's answer on the P'an Ku debate. Does that long-forgotten rule finally, effectively prevent the various infinite-ability combos with P'an Ku?
(For those who don't know what I'm talking about: read the P'an Ku thread; I just can't make out what Marty's quote of Jeff's answer actually means, there are too many questions and devious expressions in there - English isn't my native language, after all, so I've got an excuse )
The rule on Page 68 reads: "If a copied ability is lost, remove from the game any tokesn it created and end any effect it produced whose duration depends on its own card (like "while this card remains bowed")."
I asked Jeff whether this applied to using an ability that's previous use has a duration of "until this ability is used again."
Jeff says, "No." That's not what the rulebook meant by "depends on its own card."
So you can spend one turn with P'an Ku copying a copy of its own ability that another non-Dragon Personality made in a long chain.
Copy Ability #1 (makes)
-> Copy Ability #2 (makes)
--> Copy Ability #3 (makes)
...
- ... -> Copy Ability #N
Then you can spend the next turn using that long chain of copies to copy other abilities. So long as you start with the latest copy (#N) and move up the chain until you hit the original (#1), "parent" abilities will not wipe out their "children."
Jeff Alexander (rules official), 24 February 2005
Martin Lund wrote:The rule on Page 68 reads: "If a copied ability is lost, remove from the game any tokesn it created and end any effect it produced whose duration depends on its own card (like "while this card remains bowed")."
I asked Jeff whether this applied to using an ability that's previous use has a duration of "until this ability is used again."
Jeff says, "No." That's not what the rulebook meant by "depends on its own card."
It also doesn't depend on the card. "until this ability is used again" has nothing to do with any state of the card as a whole.