Shrine of Compassion / Gozoku Pawn

The cards:

Shrine of Compassion

Bow Shrine of Compassion to produce 2 Gold. While you control a Shrine of Compassion and have more than two destroyed Personalities in your discard pile, players must bow their Strongholds before they issue a challenge to one of your Personalities during the Action Phase or the challenge is negated.

Gozoku Pawn

Political Limited: Bow a Coiurtier Personality or Gozoku Personality you control: Target a Personality controlled by another player. Lose 2 Honor. that player targets a Personality you control with lower Chi. His Personality issues yours an unrefusable challenge.

The question:

I have the Shrine of Compassion in play and 3 dead bodies. What happens if i play a Gozoku Pawn on another player's personality?

Thx

No answer?

May i use my Gozoku Pawn or not?

Thx for your help

Related question :

players must bow their Strongholds before they issue a challenge to one of your Personalities during the Action Phase or the challenge is negated.

How can a player issue a challenge ? Personality can issue challenge, but players ?

Togashi Imura

Zen Faulkes wrote:

Togashi Imura wrote:

How can a player issue a challenge ?

By specific card text allowing it (e.g., Contested Holding).

Quick answer

So, by card text, shrine of compassion doesn't do a thing against Iaijustu Challenge, Tamura's challenge, Saori's challenge... (but do force the player to bow his stronghold when issuing a challenge such as Contested Holding)

Togashi Imura

Zen Faulkes wrote:

kutsack wrote:

No answer?

Although we Rules Deputies take pride in what we do, please remember that we are volunteers. We have paying jobs, family, friends, laundry, pets, plants, shopping, errands, favourite TV shows, movies, other hobbies, and particularly sleep to attend to. If we don't answer you question for several days, it's not because we are ignoring you.

We appreciate your patience. Thank you.

I'm an 43 years old father, so am I patient, and i understand perfectly that AEG officials have other priorities, occupations, hobbies, natural needs

I only asked for some opinions coming from other players, that's all...

Keep cool and don’t forget the smiley.

If I don’t get any answer I’ll survive..; I swear

You can use your pawn, but it won't do a whole lot. The other player can just choose not to bow his Stronghold and have the challenge Negated, just like the card text says.

- Marty Lund

Deputy Rules Monkey

Zen Faulkes wrote:

Togashi Imura wrote:

So, by card text, shrine of compassion doesn't do a thing against Iaijustu Challenge, Tamura's challenge, Saori's challenge... (but do force the player to bow his stronghold when issuing a challenge such as Contested Holding)

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. I suspect this is a slight miswording of Shrine of Compassion, with the idea being to make it very broadly applicable. I'm going to tentatively say that Shrine of Compassion applies to challenges performed by Personalities, in fact.

So, at first glance, it should be wise to avoid playing Shrine of Compassion if I put Gozoku Pawn in my deck.

Marty, Zen, thanks a lot!

Zen Faulkes wrote:

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. I suspect this is a slight miswording of Shrine of Compassion, with the idea being to make it very broadly applicable. I'm going to tentatively say that Shrine of Compassion applies to challenges performed by Personalities, in fact.

Do we need a Jeff summoning spell here ?

*Dancing half-naked around a fire*

Jeff oOoh Jeeeeeff

Hum... Well, though the ruling is convincing me ^_^ it would be nice if Jeff made a little speech .

Togashi Imura