Victory of the Thunders, Junzo's Citadel questions

L5R CCG Rules board, 22 August 2015 to 1 September 2015

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 22 August 2015

Am I correct that Victory of the Thunders does nothing if you are playing with one of the Siege strongholds?

Victory reads: "...controls seven Seven Thunder Personalities with no Clan Alignments in common..."

But the new strongholds; Brotherhood's Abbey, House of the Black Lion, and The Alliance give your clan alignment to all of your personalities. So any number of Thunders would have their printed alignment (Crab, Crane, etc.) but would have Monk, Mantis, or Toturi's Army in common, defeating the event text.

Also, re: Yogo Junzo's Citadel. In legacy formats, is this a Shadowlands stronghold, so it doesn't lose immediately for having -20 honor? And it's Rank ability doesn't work outside Siege?

Thanks in advance.

Alex Jones (rules official), 1 September 2015

Am I correct that Victory of the Thunders does nothing if you are playing with one of the Siege strongholds?

Victory reads: "...controls seven Seven Thunder Personalities with no Clan Alignments in common..."

But the new strongholds; Brotherhood's Abbey, House of the Black Lion, and The Alliance give your clan alignment to all of your personalities. So any number of Thunders would have their printed alignment (Crab, Crane, etc.) but would have Monk, Mantis, or Toturi's Army in common, defeating the event text.

Also, re: Yogo Junzo's Citadel. In legacy formats, is this a Shadowlands stronghold, so it doesn't lose immediately for having -20 honor? And it's Rank ability doesn't work outside Siege?

Thanks in advance.

Victory of the Thunders is indeed pretty useless out of any of the Strongholds from Seige: The Clan War.

Regarding Yogo Junzo's Citadel and other cards with Rank effects, there's a discussion on the Jade Hand wrt similar cards in Siege: Heart of Darkness.