Undermining the Otomo + No Dynasty Deck

L5R CCG Rules board, 23 June 2015 to 24 June 2015

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 23 June 2015

Suppose a game state in where I have played all the cards in my dynasty deck, but I still have 2 provinces. Suppose also, that those provinces do not currently hold any dynasty cards.

If I then play Undermining the Otomo to move a discarded personality to one of those provinces:

Code: Select all Political Open: Even if this Strategy is in your discard pile, put your target discarded (not dead) Personality into one of your Provinces, discarding any card there. Remove this Strategy from the game.

Is it a legal play, since I'm unable to 'discard any card there'?

In other words, does Undermining the Otomo require me discard a card from my province to use it?

Thanks!

Alex Jones (rules official), 24 June 2015

Suppose a game state in where I have played all the cards in my dynasty deck, but I still have 2 provinces. Suppose also, that those provinces do not currently hold any dynasty cards.

If I then play Undermining the Otomo to move a discarded personality to one of those provinces:

Code: Select all Political Open: Even if this Strategy is in your discard pile, put your target discarded (not dead) Personality into one of your Provinces, discarding any card there. Remove this Strategy from the game.

Is it a legal play, since I'm unable to 'discard any card there'?

In other words, does Undermining the Otomo require me discard a card from my province to use it?

Thanks!

You may use Underming the Otomo on an empty province.

"Any card" allows for no card to be in your province.

Also, please check the Good Faith Rule, which determines whether an action is legal to take or not - knowing that an effect of an action will fail is does not in general prevent the action being taken. See also Independence of effects.