More Breaking the Rhythm vs Traits

L5R CCG Rules board, 6 May 2015 to 15 May 2015

A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.

A player, 6 May 2015

Following viewtopic.php?f=59&t=108055 Reapplied force bonus or penalty do not remember being negated by Breaking the Rhythm and similar abilities. I wonder what change in bonus/penalty is counted as reapplying?

Bonus/penalty from Contentious Terrain and Moto Naleesh was reapplied again after going home and back to army, but what if force modification is more complicated than binary "there is one", "there isn't".

If I have e.g. Daidoji Hiroteu in battle and my opponent has a personality with bowed attachment Hiroteru has +1F. Opponent plays BtR, bonus disappears and I bow his Personality. Do I have +0F, +1F or +2F?

Each is, in my eyes, possible ^^ 1)+0F if changing value of bonus is not considered reapplying, but what if his attachment straighten and my bonus (technically still negated) value drops to +0F and bows again? Is that reapplying then?

2) +1F if ongoing bonus was negated, but it's new "part" is counted separately, but here again appears problem of unbowing and bowing my opponents cards,

and

3) +2F if bowing another card in enemy unit counts as full reapplying of whole trait,

Absent Battle: Negate a target Personality's current Force bonuses or penalties (you choose). (Absent actions may be taken without presence.)

Hiroteru has +1F for each bowed card in the enemy army.

Alex Jones (rules official), 15 May 2015

Following viewtopic.php?f=59&t=108055 Reapplied force bonus or penalty do not remember being negated by Breaking the Rhythm and similar abilities. I wonder what change in bonus/penalty is counted as reapplying?

Bonus/penalty from Contentious Terrain and Moto Naleesh was reapplied again after going home and back to army, but what if force modification is more complicated than binary "there is one", "there isn't".

If I have e.g. Daidoji Hiroteu in battle and my opponent has a personality with bowed attachment Hiroteru has +1F. Opponent plays BtR, bonus disappears and I bow his Personality. Do I have +0F, +1F or +2F?

Each is, in my eyes, possible ^^ 1)+0F if changing value of bonus is not considered reapplying, but what if his attachment straighten and my bonus (technically still negated) value drops to +0F and bows again? Is that reapplying then?

2) +1F if ongoing bonus was negated, but it's new "part" is counted separately, but here again appears problem of unbowing and bowing my opponents cards,

and

3) +2F if bowing another card in enemy unit counts as full reapplying of whole trait,

The effect granting Daidoji Hiroteru's bonus lasts as long as there is an enemy army. Breaking the Rhythm will negate the bonus until the effect ends, ie until there's no longer an enemy army - that is, until the battle ends or there are no enemy units at the current battlefield. A change in the number of bowed cards in the enemy army will not reinstate the effect - you'll have to wait until there is a new enemy army after there having been no enemy army.