Follow-Up Question: Mysterious Deaths VS Undetectable Enemy or Fields of Pyrrhic Victory

L5R CCG Rules board, 6 March 2015

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A player, 6 March 2015

Subject: Mysterious Deaths VS Undetectable Enemy or Fields of Pyrrhic Victory

Good day,

My question is regarding the interaction of Mysterious Deaths with either Undetectable Enemy and/or Fields of Pyrrhic Victory.

Lets say we have Player A and Player B, each with one personality in play but Player B's personality is a unique oni. Player A plays Mysterious Deaths so that both players targets their respective personality but in Players B he plays undetectable enemy to negate the destruction. In this case, the question is, will the Unique oni be destroyed still or will the destruction effect be negated.

Type: Strategy Title: Mysterious Deaths Rarity: Rare Edition: Stronger Than Steel Text: Kolat • Unique Limited: Each player targets a unit he controls with the lowest total Gold Cost of all units he controls, if possible. Destroy all targets. Remove this card from the game. Lose 4 Honor.

Type: Strategy Title: Undetectable Enemy Rarity: Uncommon Edition: Emperor Edition [ View Printings ] Text: Reaction: After another player's action targets your Oni: Negate its effects.

Good Day,

I would like to ask a follow-up question regarding the ruling for Mysterious Deaths and Undetectable Enemy.

I showed the ruling to my playgroup and they contest that Mysterious Deaths can't be negated by Undetectable Enemy due to the wording on the target of Mysterious Deaths. The way they interpret it is that Mysterious Deaths targets the player and then in turn the player targets his own personality and thus the destruction can't be negated by Undetectable Enemy since you are the one that targeted your personality and not the other player.

The question is, are they right on this scenario? or Will Undetectable Enemy still negate the Destruction?

Alex Jones (rules official), 6 March 2015

Subject: Mysterious Deaths VS Undetectable Enemy or Fields of Pyrrhic Victory

Good Day,

I would like to ask a follow-up question regarding the ruling for Mysterious Deaths and Undetectable Enemy.

I showed the ruling to my playgroup and they contest that Mysterious Deaths can't be negated by Undetectable Enemy due to the wording on the target of Mysterious Deaths. The way they interpret it is that Mysterious Deaths targets the player and then in turn the player targets his own personality and thus the destruction can't be negated by Undetectable Enemy since you are the one that targeted your personality and not the other player.

The question is, are they right on this scenario? or Will Undetectable Enemy still negate the Destruction?

Regardless of which player chooses any particular target, the action is still targeting the card.

When Mysterious Deaths is played, the action targets each player's Personality, but each player only targets his or her own Personality.

On: Mysterious Deaths, Undetectable Enemy, Fields of Pyrrhic Victory