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A player, 5 March 2015
I targetted a dishonored Personality with The Company You Keep
The Company You Keep: Political Open: Target a Personality. Personalities his controller Recruits (this turn) with greater Personal Honor than the target has now are dishonored before they enter play.
My opponent then rehonored that personality.
Will the comparison of the Personal Recruitment be after I played The Company You Keep (the target is dishonored,0PH so all personality recruited will be dishonored) or during recruitment ( the target is rehonored so he can proclaim personalities with equal or lower PH)
The timing of the word "now" is confusing to me. Thanks
Jon Palmer (rules official), 5 March 2015
I targetted a dishonored Personality with The Company You Keep
The Company You Keep: Political Open: Target a Personality. Personalities his controller Recruits (this turn) with greater Personal Honor than the target has now are dishonored before they enter play.
My opponent then rehonored that personality.
Will the comparison of the Personal Recruitment be after I played The Company You Keep (the target is dishonored,0PH so all personality recruited will be dishonored) or during recruitment ( the target is rehonored so he can proclaim personalities with equal or lower PH)
The timing of the word "now" is confusing to me. Thanks
"has now" means that the value you're checking against is set at the time The Company You Keep is played. If it later changes, that won't affect who is or isn't dishonored by The Company You Keep.
A player, 5 March 2015
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Just a follow-up question on this. Doesn't The Company You Keep create a delayed effect?
DELAYED EFFECTS # Effects that will occur at a given time in the future are delayed effects. Example: “After your next turn begins” or “After the next time this game a Samurai assigns to attack.” The duration of a delayed ongoing effect takes into account the turn, or other time period, in which it was applied – not the time period in which it was initially activated.
if not - can you explain why 'now' is when the action was made and not during the time recruitment happens?
Thanks!
Alex Jones (rules official), 22 May 2015
Just a follow-up question on this. Doesn't The Company You Keep create a delayed effect?
Yes. That's exactly why it uses "now" to indicate that the targeted Personality's current Personal Honour is used, rather than "then", which would mean his future Personal Honour when the delayed effect triggers.