A topic from AEG's L5R CCG Rules forum, copied for Oracle of the Void from a copy of the forum saved in October 2015, so pages it didn't save are missing. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings, the rulebooks and the Rules Archive may differ.
A player, 1 October 2014
Hello rule team!
I know the Khol Wall card text has not yet been updated for the Ivory Rules on the Oracle but I would like to know how should I use it.
So my turn starts: 1 - I reveal every face down card, I am lucky and reveal a region on my leftmost province. 2 - As I now control a region on my leftmost province, I'll have to reveal its face down card. => Does it count as the start of my turn for updated old school event like Occult Murder? I would like to say no but... I cannot find any obvious reason.
Actual card text: The Khol Wall: (I've deleted the battle action and the other trait since it does not produce any issue) After each of your Events Phase ends: Turn face-up all Dynasty cards in all your provinces that have a Region attached. Occult Murder: After you reveal cards in your Provinces at the start of your turn, if this Event is face-up in one of them, starting with you and proceeding in turn order, each player destroys a Personality or Retainer controlled by the player to his right.
Thanks in advance, Best Regards, Rémo.
Brook Cunningham (rules official), 1 October 2014
Hello rule team!
I know the Khol Wall card text has not yet been updated for the Ivory Rules on the Oracle but I would like to know how should I use it.
So my turn starts: 1 - I reveal every face down card, I am lucky and reveal a region on my leftmost province. 2 - As I now control a region on my leftmost province, I'll have to reveal its face down card. => Does it count as the start of my turn for updated old school event like Occult Murder? I would like to say no but... I cannot find any obvious reason.
Actual card text: The Khol Wall: (I've deleted the battle action and the other trait since it does not produce any issue) After each of your Events Phase ends: Turn face-up all Dynasty cards in all your provinces that have a Region attached. Occult Murder: After you reveal cards in your Provinces at the start of your turn, if this Event is face-up in one of them, starting with you and proceeding in turn order, each player destroys a Personality or Retainer controlled by the player to his right.
Thanks in advance, Best Regards, Rémo.
No, the old timing will be preserved as much as possible. The turning face-up will occur after the time that Events would resolve, so Occult Murders would not trigger right after being turned face-up. When Khol Wall is updated the "After Events Phase" timing will probably be something like, "Before your Action Phase begins," which is clearly AFTER your turn has started, since it places it in the null-space between "turn start" and "Action Phase". If you follow me?