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A player, 31 December 2012
From http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=100218&hilit=black+marketeering
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://i.imgur.com/i4P5Y.png - I dont have permission it seems to quote said post, reply in that post or post a picture with over 600 pixels. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE by AkodoGilador » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:51 am
If you use Black Marketeering to take a Personality with the owners clan alignment, subsequently giving them Loyal with Learning will not stop the Personality's control returning at the end of the turn. Only a Personality who does not share a clan alignment will not return if you give them Loyal.
Learning says, "... a keyword on an enemy Personality." It does not target that Personality, and "enemy" includes cards in units at all locations, so the keyword can be copied off a Personality not at the current battlefield. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
QUESTION: What if I use Discovering a Conspiracy to remove said clan alignment prior to taking said personality. Will I then retain said personality.
Discovering a conspiracy Battle/Open: Choose your performing unbowed magistrate and target a personality: His lord casts him out of treachery. permanently remove his clan alignment keywords. dishonor him. if he is at a battlefield, bow him and choose a player who gains or loses 1 honor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Discovering a Conspiracy
Learning
Black Marketeering
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PS. Id also like to know the answer to Nikkoichi's Question. Posted a day ago. Same card involved. Black Marketeering. Thanks.
Ben Higgins (rules official), 12 January 2013
From http://www.alderac.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=100218&hilit=black+marketeering
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://i.imgur.com/i4P5Y.png - I dont have permission it seems to quote said post, reply in that post or post a picture with over 600 pixels. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ QUOTE by AkodoGilador » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:51 am
If you use Black Marketeering to take a Personality with the owners clan alignment, subsequently giving them Loyal with Learning will not stop the Personality's control returning at the end of the turn. Only a Personality who does not share a clan alignment will not return if you give them Loyal.
Learning says, "... a keyword on an enemy Personality." It does not target that Personality, and "enemy" includes cards in units at all locations, so the keyword can be copied off a Personality not at the current battlefield. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
QUESTION: What if I use Discovering a Conspiracy to remove said clan alignment prior to taking said personality. Will I then retain said personality.
Discovering a conspiracy Battle/Open: Choose your performing unbowed magistrate and target a personality: His lord casts him out of treachery. permanently remove his clan alignment keywords. dishonor him. if he is at a battlefield, bow him and choose a player who gains or loses 1 honor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Discovering a Conspiracy
Learning
Black Marketeering
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PS. Id also like to know the answer to Nikkoichi's Question. Posted a day ago. Same card involved. Black Marketeering. Thanks.
Let me first apologize for the lack of expediency in answering your question.
In your example, removing the owner's Clan alignment from the "stolen" Personality who now has Loyal (thanks to Learning) would prevent him from returning to his owner's control when Black Marketeering attempts to give him back to his owner.
This is because the delayed effect for returning control triggers "before the turn ends" and, by rulebook default, Ongoing effects (such as the gained keyword from Learning) last "until the end of the turn." As such Black Marketeering will attempt to return the Personality while he still has the Loyal keyword, which will fail due to the restrictions from Loyal.
Once more, very sorry for the delay in answering your question.
