It wasnt very strong for dishonor. It tried. But I argue it was just a political standoff deck
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Yeah not enough printed honor loss on dudes IMO.
Well, on clowns.
how does work his action?
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it is a unit kill regardless?
why tyhere is a personality then not a unit wording?
ot he kills personalities with weapon and spells but not with followers?
or what?
Kills thru attachments
okay
Effects that save the personality save the unit
(Giant eff you to tower decks haha)
oh and if he would be destroying unit then card effects that prevent death of personality still wopuld strip that personality of attachements, yes?
Yes
That's right
btw hes an old pal.. i bet he was on healthy diet possibly eating crabs to retain that posture.
9G for whole unit kill is crazy
https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378
That how i imagine Ayumu delete enemy units
And if Ayumu is attacking, his trait gives himself +2F for doing it, too. 😎
TACTICS
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this doesn't work, does it?
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by which I mean, I intentionally lose a duel that bows, and use Dark Ring of Fire to kill my own character so that the Focus Effect of Good Day To Die destroys the other personality
Are you asking if you can challenge your own personalities with each other?
Don't need the Dark Ring for that
like, if my 3/3 Kokujin Sato challenges my opponent's Shikei with +3 Chi worth of attachments and 12 force, and I focus A Good Day To Die, if the duel doesn't result in the death of Sato, so A Good Day To Die won't kill Shikei
The duel isnt destroying them, Dark Ring is
yeah, I thought so...
my first thought was this setup, didn't think about how it wouldn't work till after I started talking about it.
[ShE] Catastrophic Confrontation vs Aid Has Arrived: The explosion seems to hit created personalities hard because they have zero gold cost is that correct? Just checking if the personalities created by Aid have zero gold cost? Would the same reasoning apply to Ancestors and Pirates created by Kagako and Ichido Sensei? So if I use Confrontation to banish even a very small person in my army, it could potentially wipe all the created enemies?
Answers on: Catastrophic Confrontation, Aid Has Arrived
It would appear so
Similar to Standing Fast from editions past
Any stat on a created card defaults as "0" if not explicitly stated, including GC. Though note, CC takes into account the total unit cost of all targets, so expensive attachments could afford such Personalities some protection.
Thank you, and understood 🙂
I see some created cards do have a gold cost such as the yojimbos created by Tamori Tsushima. However Takumi's created yojimbos do not have a gold cost. But they do have "Yu: A target player loses 2 honor". If I banish them with CC then the Yu Trait does not trigger correct?
Banishing is not the same as destruction. Only destruction triggers "Yu".
does responses and interrupts require presence?
Yes
watching a game and there was a certain situation with absent usage of RoW and response with wordint "kills as he move"
uff thanks
@Jeff Williamson @Jeremy Sumerlin I just downloaded the scorpion stronghold from your files and it doesn't match the card in oracle
The card in Oracle is incorrect
The one from your files
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This is a known Oracle issue
The one from oracle
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that will be fixed
I see. So the one with the honor reduction is outdated, right?
Yes
Thanks
The one in the files is the correct one
Just to make sure, does this banish the target or the created character? It just says "Banish it"
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The created character
thats what I assumed but wanted to make sure
I forget...
If I copy an ability onto a target and it happens to read "tactical ability" but the target doesn't have tactician, can they use or not the copied ability?
Answers on: Yasuki's Smile
Also, can Yasuki's smile interrupt Overwhelmed?
Any Tactical ability not printed on a Tactician itself must implicitly target your unbowed Tactician to use it, like Banish All Doubt for example. So, very technically, you could use such a copied ability, but you'd have to additionally target one of your own actual Tacticians to use it, who would then thereby use up his one Tactical for the turn.
can Yasuki's smile interrupt Overwhelmed?
Answers on: Yasuki's Smile
Yes, I saw the other question. I'm looking into it. Overwhelmed is an odd duck, as you know.
Yep.
Ok, so, this is a fun one. Yes, it can. However, "If the action would destroy this Personality" is a requirement of announcing the Interrupt, so he must be your highest Force guy at the time you announce it, so that choosing to not move guys home will definitely kill him. Also, you are then locked into not choosing to move guys home due to the Rules regarding Choice Paradoxes. And finally, should circumstances beyond your control change after you take the Smile Interrupt, and for whatever reason, a different one of your guys is who will be destroyed by Overwhelmed, the Smile substitution will not happen and save the other guy. I hope you followed all that?
Just banish overwhelmed already... xD
There needs to be sufficient solutions for tower decks
Yeah, makes sense, my curiosity was for when I have a beefy guy that is alone or something and I didn't want him to die.
Steel on Steel is a good solution to towers.
You know you're in the Onyx Lives Discord, not Sun and Moon? 😛
well maybe they should reprint steel on steel… just sayin’
(I’m aware that I advocated for less lethal duels with more interesting focus effects. I’m aware that this might be a contradiction. I’m also aware that I had fun playing that card.)
Answers on: Steel on Steel
Clearly we need to reprint Iaijutsu Challenge and iaijutsu Duel
I mean, there’s just no other way.
Iaijutasu Art, The Fortunes Smile, Hamstrung. There we go. Whole dueling suite
Three Dynasties will now be exclusively about duels. All Personalities will either be duelists or have traits and abilities that support dueling. All duels will be kill duels, with secondary effects being what differentiates between them.
Tani Hitokage reprint, let’s goooooo
In fact, all words on every card will be errata'ed to be the words duel, Duelist, dueled, or dueling
Then we will need duelists-killer cards with effects such as: "target a duelist, increase their personal honor by 10, dishonor them, and destroy them" I'd pay for those cards xD
You only lose printed PH when dying dishonorably, so the 10 increase does nothing. 😉 And apart from my own post just now, isn't this getting rather off-topic?
"Fall from Grace"
As for the flavor text of those cards you could use repent yourself, sinner, and return to the right path.
Well, you are still speaking of rules regarding the PH hahaha...
I did say with the exclusion of my own post.
Duelist duels dueling Duelist. Duel Duelist. Duel.
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@Jeff Williamson Guys! Guys, guys, guys... guys... c'mon, we already moved this to a more appropriate channel: (link)
ANARCHY!
With Suikihime Wind and the Raid situation... suikihime says "the next time an attack is declared you have to send someone to the selected province" how does that interact with a raid since it's not attacking a province?
Raid attack is still an attack
It basically negates Suikihime's ability
if someone was mantis and used it, would the opponent have to send someone to a province instead of the raid? or does it just not happen?
It fails, no provinces to assign to
This is what I thought but wanted to ask
If a personality is banished from play, what happens to the attachments?
Discarded I think.
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I HAVE NOT SNIPED MACBETH FOR 15 years on an answer and it feels GOOD.
If a Personality leaves play, their attachments leave in the same way. So, also Banished.
Am I reading from an old source?
You're reading the wrong citation. That source is for an attachment that somehow gets into play without a Personality at all ever.
Ok. I have so many questions . First, is ninja still a clan with a stronghold?
Ty ty
I played L5R since emerald
I miss it so so much
Haven't been since Jade Edition, so big no in Onyx/Shattered Empire. 🙂
I have no real idea how to even play this version
There is Scorpion clan which is like half the ninja faction
They’re not actually of “the shadow” in most scenarios
The citation for my ruling is CR pg 97, definition of "unit".
I could never doubt you.
Like. I still have all the first edition L5R rpg books, and I’ve always loved how they did “ way of shadow “
Answers on: Way of Shadow
But, that was then
There seems to be a rich storyline happening. How can I play?
The Shadow lived on past its defeat at Oblivion's Gate in the Corrupted Air Dragon who became the Shadow Dragon.
Yeah, but its power was pretty much broken past that point
At least as I recall the storyline from that time
I love the idea there is other people who loved the game as much as me, but I have zero idea how to actually go about playing a game
That's probably a good question for the General channel, but in short, the Onyx and beyond cards are a digital-only, fan-made continuation and most play via an online client called Sun and Moon (which has its own separate Discord).
Get Sun and Moon and then you can play the most recent version
Like, I found this discord, but I havnt been able to figure out what is happening
Can I use my phone?
Or should I only use a computer?
Also this: https://sites.google.com/view/the-onyx-lives-project/home
[The Onyx Lives Project]
If you want to join the Sun and Moon Discord: https://discord.gg/RBcv9Evj
Well crap, that didn't work
Sun and Moon unfortunately only works on computers, not Tablets or Mobile.
There is the correct invite link
I don't know how to do that either, sorry. I'm an old man who misses Forums.
Also, is ree soesbee involved?
No, she hasn't been since Jade either, like Ninja as a Faction. Y'know the game was officially produced from 1995-2015? Jade ended in 2000. 😛
I actually have a limited edition, numbered, autographed print of Daidoji Rekai by April Lee
Oh I know. Heart and soul of the game imo. I collected ninja cards from the start . But my first clan was dragon.
Fred Wan was the story lead for most of the lifetime of the game, and he'll look in occasionally, but the only former AEG employees directly involved in Onyx Lives are a few CCG Designers, and of course, me. 🙂
Well
That’s amazing
I really wish AEG would consider buying it back from FFG/Edge and producing it again (but I know there is no way that's going to happen)
This probably isn’t the place , but…. So many questions!!! And mostly thank you for the best ccg ever snd a world so tangible role playing becomes a whole different experience
I tagged you in the Sun and Moon discord server with the first step to download the client and setting it up for the latest online expansion...
I agree with you on it being the best CCG. MTG is so simple (IMO) compared to L5R.
Thank you. When I fix my laptop
I just started looking into getting back into L5R after over a decade. I just pulled out my giant boxes of cards from storage, and I found a signed daidoji rekai by april lee
If this guy dies by the opponent's hand in battle, does he have to target a card at his location due to presence? or does yu being postumous override that?
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That's awesome, April Lee was one of my favorite artists for the game
I think it is my only signed card
Lower right corner for my print
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I had that card back in the day
super random
AEG does not want to be in the card game business
Yu?
Asmodee does not appear interested in licensing the rights to card game creation. Their brand repo said to us at Gen Con that we need to continue to show that there is still a market for the IP
Yes, yu is an ability that happens if the opponent's effect destroys it during battle or at battle resolution
Yu only targets if it's explicit. His trait can hit any card in play.
That doesn't surprise me honestly, I just miss the old days
what formats do you guys all play now? Modern or bigdeck? or something else?
We're starting to get off topic in this channel
Yu was a mechanic from Diamond/Lotus that Onyx Lives designers sort of brought back, but with much different execution.
We should take this discussion to (link)
"starting to"
When choosing do the targets all have to be the same keyword, or can it be a mix of both?
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A mix.
With the edict, if I have Jagadis in play, do I still have to HAVE a dead personality to play the card? or does Jagadis just bypass having to have a dead personality at all?
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Just ignore it. Nobody needs to be dead.
That... is an awesome interaction!
Thanks
Just a follow up: Do multiple copies of Jagardis stack? So if you had two in play, could you ignore banishing a dead personality twice per turn?
Effectively, yes. Because the trigger is "you may", while multiple Jagadis all could trigger off the same Banish, you get to choose which copies (if any) do. So, you would naturally only choose to trigger one per Banish thus getting a free non Banish per turn for each copy.
[ShE] Kimiono Sensei: Apologies if I missed any discussion about this card over the last few weeks, I cannot seem to find anything in search about it. My question is: How exactly does this work? If I have the sensei and I attack, there is a second maneuvers segment... but does the defender also get the benefit of this cavalry maneuvers segment? So if I assign no infantry and the defender assigns one unit during the first 'infantry' maneuvers segment, can I the attacker then assign any number of my cav units to attack the province with the defending unit in the cav maneuvers segment? Does the defender then get to assign any number of their cav units to the same province? Or does the defender not get the opportunity to make use of the cav maneuvers segment? And does the defender assign their cav units after the attacker does so? In which case how does the limitation on 'if the defender assigned no personalities" work? If there were no defending infantry units then would the attacker get to assign to empty provinces but the defender cannot?
Answers on: Kimiono Sensei
1. Yes, 2. Yes, 3. Yes, 4. Both players assign during both Maneuvers; no Maneuvers belongs exclusively to one player, 5. Yes, just like a regular Maneuvers, Attacker then Defender assign, there are just added restrictions on which units may be assigned where, 6. If the Defender assigned no one in first Maneuvers, the Attacker could assign Cav units anywhere in the second, 7. If the Defender didn't assign anyone during the first Maneuvers, they would also have no restrictions about assigning to empty battlefields in the second Maneuvers, just like the Attacker as described in answer #6.
Edit: Sorry, just realized my numbering system ignores the first question sentence, "How does this work?" and starts with the next.
Wait, if I am the defender I cannot use the Onyx cavalry or I can use both types?
I would say you get both
Thanks, I understood. I realise now that the limitation applies to infantry maneuvers by the defender only
if you played the game prior to ivory, it's just old Cavalry Segment (except that you have to assign into a contested battlefield if possible)
isn't it?