Onyx Lives #rules-questions

June 2025

Messages from the Onyx Lives #rules-questions Discord channel, copied for Oracle of the Void. Players' names are left out; the rules officials are named. Rulings are as they stood on these dates; later rulings and the rulebooks may differ.

A player, 1 June 2025 04:00

She does not redirect the targeting requirements (highest family honour). She simply changes who suffers the honour loss effect. @Jeremy Sumerlin sorry, did not see your reply before I posted. 😊

A player, 2 June 2025 01:02

If you have the favor at the start of your turn and don't at the end, do you draw at the start and end? If you don't have the favor at the start and gain it before you end, do you not get to draw at all? Basically, is the trait a single check at the start of your turn, or two seperate checks one at start one at end?

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Brook Cunningham (rules official), 2 June 2025 01:52 · in reply

Yes, yes, and the second one.

A player, 2 June 2025 23:14

How does rout effect a personality with Tsuko's heart if Rout targets the follower?

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A player, 2 June 2025 23:15

Movement fails, attachment can still be destroyed

A player, 2 June 2025 23:16 · in reply

I wasn't sure what the order of operations was since it's technically at the same time

A player, 2 June 2025 23:16

It's the order on the card, but if it depended on the movement it would be worded more like Dark Ring of Earth xp

A player, 2 June 2025 23:18

Oh thats fair... order on the card

A player, 20 June 2025 06:48

Isnt it weird that a samurai personality can attach only 1 armor and 1 weapon but a shugenja can attach limitless spells? I remember in older editions they have a Chi limit, is that a thing that can be on the table to be implementes again?

A player, 20 June 2025 07:31

spells often either bow the Shugenja or destroy themselves to be used, and don't usually give force bonuses. (Well, they used to not). That's also not a huge disadvantage. There are plenty of other items that aren't weapons or armor.

A player, 20 June 2025 07:44

Are you talking about Shattered Empire edition? cause there are a ton of spells that give Strenght bonuses without bowing the shugenja

A player, 20 June 2025 07:44

and the other items (not armor or weapons) usually are for utility like gaining honor and such

A player, 20 June 2025 07:47

I dont want to enter a debate, was just asking if that Chi limit is something the developers are thinking on bringing back at some point

A player, 20 June 2025 10:07

Call the Inferno used to give force to the Shugenja as a trait, but then it got nerfed and you have to bow it (and lose the range attack) to get the force bonus.

Tremors required the shugenja to be both earth and fire to give the force bonus and there are not tons of shugenja who fulfill that condition

Answers on: Call the Inferno
A player, 20 June 2025 10:09

The new Yami of the Void also gives force bonus only by attaching but it is also a weapon, so it is not limited to shugenja.

A player, 20 June 2025 10:11

Other spells that increase the shugenja's force require to consume a battle action to use the spell's ability

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 20 June 2025 10:11 · in reply

(Only Shugenja can attach Spells.)

A player, 20 June 2025 10:13 · in reply

Oh, I see. Still since it's also a weapon I thought it allowed you to bypass that restriction

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 20 June 2025 10:13 · in reply

Nope; it's still always also a Spell.

Jeff Williamson (rules official), 20 June 2025 10:14

no, it just prevents the shugenja from attaching other weapons

A player, 20 June 2025 10:14 · in reply

Got it, got it

A player, 20 June 2025 10:15

Thanks for the clarification

Brook Cunningham (rules official), 20 June 2025 10:15 · in reply

(I wouldn't say "just", but chiefly, yes.)

A player, 20 June 2025 10:37

Wait so attachments are good cards?

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A player, 20 June 2025 15:33

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A player, 20 June 2025 16:51 · in reply

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